Rogers and its e911 Commitment to the CRTC
Posted by: litui in Business, Politics, Technology, tags: 911, crtc, crtc 2009-40, dream, e9-1-1, e911, htc dream, htc magic, magic, phase ii, rogersIt seems there may be more to this whole e911 issue than Rogers is letting on.
By way of Carson Brown comes a link to Telecom Regulatory Policy CRTC 2009-40: Implementation of wireless Phase II E9-1-1 service. Phase I, defined in 2003, provides ILECs (Incumbent Local Exchange Carriers, aka ‘local telephone companies’) a 911 caller’s location cell within the mobile network and phone number. Phase II E9-1-1 service appears to be the evolution of that technology given the prevalence of GPS in mobile phones:
The level of information required by Telecom Decision 2003-53 is referred to as Phase I. Phase II, which has not yet been widely implemented in Canada and is the subject of this decision, provides PSAPs with Phase I information plus more accurate longitudinal and latitudinal (X,Y) information regarding the location of wireless E9-1-1 callers.
- CRTC 2009-40/Introduction/2
Further, this technology requires that GPS functionality be automatically enabled:
automatic enabling of cell phone Global Positioning System (GPS) functionality where GPS technology is being used; – CRTC 2009-40/Issues/I/7
This is subdivided into two stages of implementation:
- “Provision of X,Y coordinate information and location system parameters that PSAPs use to determine a caller’s location.” – CRTC 2009-40/Issues/I/7
- “Provision of mid-call location updates, plus provision of wireless Phase II E9-1-1 service for roamers and unsubscribed handsets, to be deployed as technology solutions become available.” – CRTC 2009-40/Issues/I/7
While no strict timeline appears to have been defined for Stage 2 implementation, Stage 1 is very clear:
All WSPs are to complete their respective implementation of wireless Phase II Stage 1 E9-1-1 services by 1 February 2010, wherever wireline E9-1-1 service is available across Canada. – CRTC 2009-40/Issues/III/20/3
So it seems that not only has Rogers fallen behind on its ability to provide even a basic Phase I level of wireless e911 service on the HTC Dream and Magic, but they are treading the borderline of failing to meet Phase II Stage 1 implementation timeline demands by the CRTC (and other interested parties) as well.
This might give insight as to why Rogers decided to disable data in late January for HTC Dream and Magic users before their deadline came up, and why they have become increasingly persistent in their warnings, even to the point of hijacking all outbound calls.
This may also explain some of Rogers’s misgivings about non-standard firmwares as the degree of compliance of 3rd party software to the Phase II requirements can’t be accounted for by Rogers.
As far as I can tell, however, there is no provision either in the CRTC file or by Rogers themselves for 3rd party hardware. If an unlocked phone from a 3rd party doesn’t support Phase II Stage 1 e911 services, what is the process? Will this regulation allow wireless carriers to lock out “unauthorized” hardware?
In light of this information, certain answers given by @RogersMary make a lot more sense:
@bradarsenault Not sure. I know we don’t support unlocked or rooted phones b/c we can’t guarantee how they device will work on our network.
@mcantelon Hi. We can’t support rooted/unlocked phone b/c we don’t know how those devices work on our network. Custs should d/l the bug fix.
@4Lou We cannot support unlocked devices b/c we can’t guarantee how that will impact the device on our network.
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The above has been the standard line and has been perplexing to many of us who understand that rooted and unlocked phones as such do not interfere with the network. If the firmwares are simply not known to work with Phase II Stage 1 e911 services and Rogers is required to have phones on their network comply, however, it makes more sense.
What does this mean for the future of modded phones and even ordering unlocked (standards-compliant) handsets from out-of-country? Will they be subjected to the same restrictions?
Why can’t we simply waive our right to Phase II e911 and have this issue solved?
Of note also is that the payment model for e911 services (eg: that they are paid for by the wireless providers) has not changed, and it’s possible we will see an increase in costs on account of this implementation.
Thanks again to Carson for the link. It provides much to consider.
Updates
- 2010-02-10 @ 3:00 PM – Rogers Waiver
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Posted by Joniel, not 10 minutes ago, a link to a new 911 waiver form for HTC Dream and Magic customers who refuse to “upgrade”.
I really have to wonder if this (fairly well viewed) post had any impact on the decision, but I guess I’ll never know.

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Very interesting indeed. I actually applied the latest Cyanogen Rogers Radio update to comply with Roger’s scans and got my data back. I was told implicitly by Rogers highest level of tech support and even the complaints service that after I apply their update I can do whatever I want with my phone… reroot it, whatever. This is because as soon as the phone is proven to be updated it is taken off the scanning list completely when data is turned back on. Well, I updated my phone using non-Rogers methods so that I could maintain root and it is fully up to speed which is why I got my data back.
Anyway, the long and the short of it is they outright lied to me because after 4 days of enjoying revitalized data my phone is now blocked again. This is despite the fact my phone is using the same radio version and is on a higher version of Android than theirs even – one that does not have the 911 issue.
I just refuse to install their bullshit new update because it is practically root-proof (xda-developers aren’t getting anywhere so far) so they know they will screw us if we do install it.
Our rights are getting pissed on by Rogers and I have had enough. I wonder if I can get out of their contract?? Hmm.
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Okay, so I was running CursorSence for a while there with no issues with data or voice. Then after about a week I was missing Cyanogen so I thought I would flash back. I did and had data for about four days, then on Valentines day my data connection was cut off. I have spent countless hours on the phone to Rogers tech support (even a few that spoke English) and I am still without data nine days latter. I flashed back to CursorSence two days ago, had a network reset done and I’m still SOL. Gadzooks! I just tried to submit that online waver (for like the billionth time) and it fracking worked this time! With any luck I’ll have my data back in a day or so. One final thought… Does anyone know what \I will compensate Rogers for any costs it incurs relating to same.\ means?. And has anyone got out of their contract over this debacle?